Never Trumper Sarah Longwell reveals that her focus groups show Trump is more popular than DeSantis on the Republican side.

GALLAGHER: I still believe it is premature to count DeSantis out. To me, he should’ve waited until 2028. It would’ve been his for the taking, but he wanted to run this year so here we go. Listen to Sarah Longwell. She is literally the Founder of a group called “Republican voters against Trump” so you’d think by default that the Founder would be all excited about Ron DeSantis’ candidacy, right? Think again.

LONGWELL: “I have to tell you, he has been getting killed in the focus groups, and it’s not even that kind of criticism. We always ask people who do you want to see be the 2024 nominee. And six months ago, Ron DeSantis, he would always come up. He was the first one. If it wasn’t Trump, it was him. People don’t even mention him right now. We’ve had two groups in a row where nobody’s even said his name. They’ve said Tim Scott, they’ve said Vivek Ramaswamy, and he’s just not even getting mentioned. There was one guy who liked him. And we said, you know, this fine, is fine. That is brutal.”

GALLAGHER: Brutal is the word that comes to mind. Now will it all change? We are 9-10 days away from the first debate.